what is going on with the hagel nomination? >> if it sounds like a jury asking for more information for the judge after it's sequestee- after it's sequestered to make a decision. that is what it is. they are acting exactly like a jury. this is a great deal of political theater. i heard from a number of people who think, fairly certain that hagel has enough votes to get confirmed. >> yeah. >> but it's not a sure thing and especially since his weak performance in front of the committee last week. i think they will make it as difficult for him as they can. >> last question, president obama, among those honoring leon panetta yesterday in an armed forces tribute. what is going to be mr. panetta's legacy? >> cutting -- cutting the budget. he was -- he is a budget cutter from the very beginning of his political career. he was sent there to cut the budget, to do a lot of things but mostly to cut the budget. and he leaves a legacy of having prepared the pentagon to reduce the expenditures during a time when it has to do that one aor the